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Can you interpret this comment for those of us that haven't used windows? All i can recall from "vista" is that it looked good


Off the top of my head: Windows Vista was slow and unstable on a lot of hardware of the time due to significantly higher system requirements than XP and a new display driver model that worked poorly at first, had a very polarizing look, and had quite overbearing UAC -- where XP would just let you do the thing, Vista would ask you three times if you're really really sure you wanted to authorize it.

It had decent bones though -- arguably a lot of its bad reputation was due to hardware/third party driver issues and people trying to run it on old hardware that just couldn't hack it. Windows 7 was well received and is basically the same thing with small improvements and some of the UX issues smoothed over (i.e. less annoying UAC)


Windows Vista was also notorious for going overboard with translucency effects in the default "Aero" style


My memory is that it was named "Aero Glass" which heightens the irony of "Liquid Glass" sucking.

But I see many references to it being called just "Aero", but some call it "Aero Glass" [1]

Does anyone know the truth?

[1] https://www.pcmag.com/archive/rip-aero-glass-windows-8-stick...


Microsoft marketing maybhave had a specific preference, but "Aero" and "Aero Glass" are interchangeable. From the same article you linked:

> "Rest in peace, Aero. I liked you, a lot. Still do. And I'll miss you," Thurrott writes


Microsoft's Copilot AI software has been integrated in every corner of the operating system, from the start menu to the notepad to settings. Beyond the intrusiveness of it, it also does not work very well. Other AI mishaps include Recall, which takes screenshots of your desktop every so often, and the original version of Recall stored these in an unencrypted, insecure database.

On top of that, the OS feels more bloated and disorganized than ever, with something like six different UI frameworks all present in various spots on the OS; system settings are scattered across the Settings app (new) and various legacy panels like Control Panel and Network Connections.

What else... Microsoft now requires an online connection and Microsoft account to sign in to your PC; no more local-only accounts allowed.

I'm sure there's more I'm missing. It's not a pleasant operating system.


I added a local-only account to a Win 11 Pro box just two days ago. Nothing seems different to me—the usual horsing around with the no online account stuff but it let me create the account.


Pro will allow it. Home which is what comes with most computers, does not now.


I find that it is quite a pleasant operating system!

Recall is turned off by default and Copilot never nags you to use it (like Gemini on Chromebooks/Google Search/Google Docs does).

I completely agree with the UI frameworks thing though. They really need to remove the Control Panel.


> I find that it is quite a pleasant operating system!

Pleasant compared to what? Older versions of windows? linux, or macs? This is the first positive review I've ever heard.


Most people are fine with Windows, including myself. I find it a good business workhorse with excellent productivity features that I can rely upon, knowing that it will handle pretty much any task I throw at it.

Another factor vs Mac (for me) is that if something to happen to my ThinkPad while I'm at a factory somewhere in rural Uzbekistan, there is always a store in the nearby city where I can grab a Windows laptop for like $400 and continue with the job, and/or have my machine serviced.

Windows has enormous userbase, and obviously you'll hear a high absolute number of criticisms, especially considering that those who actively dislike the OS for whatever reason will take take their time to bring their frustrations online, and those who are fine with it rarely comment about it.


It would all be good and all but Windows is now completely unreliable,it's not a workhorse when it breaks itself with updates and removes the drivers


I hear people say that, but I’m yet to see what’s unreliable about Windows. I’m running Windows 11 with latest updates on my ThinkPad X1 Carbon, and it hasn’t ever failed me, not even once. It has been solid as a rock for me.

Windows laptops vary in hardware quality and software support significantly, maybe that’s where issues arise for some people?


Can you explain what a thinkpad is?


Lenovo ThinkPad laptop.


Compared to both Windows 10 and macOS 26 (my desktop computer is a Mac Mini M4 and I really regret updating it to Tahoe).

Linux obviously has its strengths, so I have a dual boot with the latest Fedora, but I almost always end up using W11, even for personal use.


> They really need to remove the Control Panel.

... they really need to provide 100% coverage to all the same settings, THEN remove the control panel.


I don't have Copilot in my start menu. It's in Notepad, but that is the only place I've found it. This is on 25H2.

> original version of Recall stored these in an unencrypted, insecure database.

Why do you bother mentioning it, given that's been long rectified and that particular version never made it to the production ring?

> six different UI frameworks all present in various spots on the OS

Windows has always been like this. It wasn't until Windows 11 that the Font dialog was upgraded from a Win 3.x look and feel.

> no more local-only accounts allowed.

Just false.


The Vista comparison is unfair. I think a lot of the bad rap Vista got was from trying to run it on underpowered hardware thanks to marketing XP-era machines as "Windows Vista Capable". I actually ran it on good HW (the kind that could run Crysis) and I didn't have anything bad to say.

Yes, UAC could be considered as annoyance by some but it's no different than "sudo" on single-user Linux machines and we seemingly have no problems with that (I wish we'd move on past that because it is damn annoying and offers no security benefit).

Comparing Vista to modern macOS is insulting. Vista didn't have that level of jank and the UIs were actually quite good, consistent and with reasonable information density, unlike "System Settings" or shitty Catalyst apps.


It's even sadder. Apple has some of the best-performing CPUs on the market. And even with that kind of power under the hood, iOS, iPadOS, and macOS 26 chug and choke and drop frames. What the hell hardware did they target?


> Yes, UAC could be considered as annoyance by some but it's no different than "sudo" on single-user Linux machines and we seemingly have no problems with that (I wish we'd move on past that because it is damn annoying and offers no security benefit).

It was wild to me when I was testing out if I wanted to move over to Linux as my full-time desktop OS how much it was asking for my password. And it didn't even have a mechanism to make it a little less painful such as requesting a short PIN (which I think is a fine option as long as a few incorrect PIN entries forces full password input).


Give your user NOPASSWD if it's really that bothersome. You can also potentially set it up to use a fingerprint reader if you have that hardware.


Yep on the terminal that would work... though I still think it should be the default.

On the other hand I'm not sure NOPASSWD would affect desktop environments - any desktop stuff goes via PolicyKit or whatever the latest systemd iteration is and I doubt it's smart enough to read Sudo's config (and there's an argument it shouldn't - if anything it should be the other way around, a system-wide generic "this is single-user machine, the only user is effectively root anyway" flag that both Sudo and Polkit should obey).

In both cases yes it's solvable, but I wish it became the default if there are no other interactive user accounts, or at least be easy to configure - if anything, by a simple "don't ask me again" on the permissions popup.


You had way more issues than that on launch, performance of 3d games sucked compared to XP with the same hardware (I remember at least a 30% decrease of FPS) and usb file transfers were so borked you probably had half of the speed of XP transfering on a usb key (which was the primary method of transfering files at the time).

The UAC wasn't even the main problem, the overall performance of Vista was, everything was so much slower.


Windows 8 was when Microsoft tried to cater more towards Windows-on-tablet use cases. Which lead to everyone, including desktop users, having a fullscreen phone-style app menu take the place of the old start menu. This, for desktop use, is obviously quite disruptive and was hated by everyone.

They addressed most issues in the 8.1 update, like a year later I think.


You know what was worse than desktop users? Server users via RDP.

There was no start button. There are no screen edges to swipe in from. Hot corners are really hard to hit. I still can't believe somebody said "yes, good idea" to using that UI for Server 2012.


I RDP'd into a Windows Server VM a year or so ago and got a full-screen popup for Edge or some shit like that.

If that wasn't bad enough, the popup was a web view, meaning none of RDP's acceleration/client-side compositing was in play and I was greeted with a ~1fps slideshow.


Apple had one of the most successful and known ad campaigns "I'm a mac and I'm a PC" ridiculing Windows Vista, they pretty much summed it up in those.

Getting to Windows 11 today, they have ads in the Start menu. Not exactly appealing to the Apple crowd…


They also ridiculed the permissions popups. But now when I plug my AirPods to charge on my MacBook it opens a permissions popup.


yet there is no way to get my iPhone to stop auto-switching bluetooth audio between my devices. Any time I get in my car, my headphones connect to the car and I have to switch it back. So annoying


This was added in iOS 26.

https://9to5mac.com/2025/12/08/ios-26-new-airpods-setting-ca...

In iOS 26, you can keep audio playing with your headphones by enabling the new "Keep Audio with Headphones" setting, found in Settings > General > AirPlay & Continuity, which stops audio from automatically switching to nearby devices like car stereos or Bluetooth speakers when you're already connected to your headphones.

This setting, which is off by default, ensures your music, calls, or podcasts stay with your AirPods or wireless headphones, preventing frustrating interruptions when you start your car or enter a room with another speaker.


Sadly this didn't work. I have no idea why. Others have reported the same. Maybe because I'm using regular bluetooth and not an Apple branded product? I have a Tesla.


Thanks! Though the funny thing - it's not possible to search for this option using the search bar in settings - it doesn't show any results for "keep audio" ) I'm on 26.1


AWESOME, thanks for the tip


MetroUI in Windows 8 was pretty universally panned. I thought it was pretty good on tablets and such, but it left a lot to be desired on desktops and hid a lot of functionality, it went too mobile for a lot of people's tastes.

Disclaimer: I was one of the dozens who used a windows phone. The Nokia Lumia 920 was great, you can fight me.


I think a lot of people liked the Windows mobile experience. Shame it didn't quite get enough market share.


Resetting the app ecosystem 3 fucking times by breaking app compatibility didn't help. Windows Phone 7 - Windows Phone 8 -> Windows (Phone?) 10.


Wrong. There was full app compat of WP7 apps in WP8 and Win10 Mobile, and for WP8 apps in W10M. The only full backward app compat break was from WM6.5/WP6.5 to WP7.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're thinking of the lack of device OS upgrades: from WP6.5 to WP7, from WP7 to WP8, and from older WP8 devices to W10M. So no forward compat, but absolutely yes to backward compat.


That's not what they mean. As a developer, the API you used to develop your app was now deprecated with no migration path. That meant your app was deprecated, with no migration path.

For an app platform already a distant third place and struggling to attract developers, pissing off the few devs you do have TWICE was not a smart move.


Even then, that happened at most twice as you say, not three times as the other poster said.

And I disagree with your implicit claim that the WP7 & WP8 Silverlight -> Win10 UWP transition had no migration path. There was >= 90% source code similarity, bolstered if you had already adopted the Win8.1/WP8.1 "universal" project templates. And Microsoft provided tooling to ease the transition. Sometimes it was literally just s/Microsoft.Phone/Windows.UI/g.

Games were a different matter, I'll admit. XNA as an app platform had no direct replacement that was binary compatible with Win10 desktop, but even then, not only was DirectX already available from WP8.0, but Microsoft invested in MonoGame as an XNA replacement precisely because they knew the end of XNA would hit hard. (In fact it was the Windows Phone division that had essentially kept XNA on life support in its final years so that WP7 games would not break.)


"the API you used to develop your app was now deprecated with no migration path."

Seems that's the standard now for .NET desktop dev. Every 2 or 3 years MS crank out a new XAML based framework that's not compatible with the previous and never gets completed before a new framework comes out.


Nobody in their right mind should be touching any Microsoft provided API that isn't already well established (like Win32 and Direct3D).

I'm happy they're at least maintaining (to a limited extent) Windows Forms and WPF and updating their styles to fit with their fancy Fluent design.

But even that is a pretty sad state of affairs, since Windows Forms should be able to get that info from uxtheme (which Microsoft fumbled) and WPF should be able to get that info from the style distributed with the system-installed .NET framework (which Microsoft fumbled and now only exists for backcompat).

For the company with the best track record for backwards compatibility (with Windows), they sure suck at developing and evolving the same API for long.


i guess they needed to release all that pent up backwards incompatibility


You joke, but I honestly wonder if this period and projects didn't involve a bunch of Microsoft employees who got a little overexcited when they were told that they didn't need to maintain the insane, sometimes bug-for-bug, compatibility layers with 20-40 year old software that they had had to deal with their entire career there.

Must have felt incredibly liberating, and maybe they got a little too into the whole idea of "fresh start"(s).

See also Windows RT.


Windows 8 featured a notable paradigm shift from a menuing launcher (click start, programs, then the program you want, as an example), to a full screen launcher (Think Android and iOS). And also switched from floating windows (The default for most Linux distros and for Mac AFAIK) to rudimentary tiling windows (Think Android and iOS)

https://youtu.be/RuuqEZnvEoU?t=30


Vista had the right direction, Windows 7 merely continued on it and it became one of the best operating systems ever.

Windows 8 design wasn't bad per se, but they shipped the start screen when it lacks even the most basic features, so you'll return to legacy desktop the moment you want to do anything.

I don't think any of them are like Tahoe TBH.


from my own personal experience, Vista was very slow and buggy at launch, but it did get better over time




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