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And more to the point, if you want to use synthetic fuels, why on earth would you pick hydrogen?

Yes, it burns to clean water, but if the carbon feedstock is renewable, synthetic hydrocarbons are renewable too. The efficiency loss from doing the additional steps to build hydrocarbons is not large compared to the efficiency losses of using hydrogen, and storage can be so much easier with something denser.



I'd assume because it is complicated. Capturing enough carbon, splitting it, generating enough H2, combining it with the carbon to make long enough chains. That all sounds complicated and expensive and probably needs even more surplus green power that we don't have. It also doesn't solve the problem of local pollution when burning carbon based fuels.

Why go for long synthetic chains?

Methane has good energy density, doesn't demand cryogenics or diffuse through steel, burns very cleanly, and can be used in modified gasoline ICEs - without even sacrificing the gasoline fuel capability.


Isn't the point that it is as simple and convenient as normal gasoline and also that you can use your gasoline car? If you are using gases it is a hassle for everyone and you need a new car or a full retrofit. At some point we have to ask ourself why we would even do that. Is it really worth it compared to just using a battery?

Without cryogenics, methane has such low energy density that a low-pressure fuel tank would still have to be as big as a bus for your compact methane-powered vehicle to go as far as you could on a few gallons of gasoline.

Why?

CNG ICE vehicles exist, especially in parts of the world that have cheap natural gas and expensive gasoline - often as dual fuel retrofits.

They have to deal with high pressure tanks, but compared to the woes of hydrogen storage, that's downright benign.


Good question.

It's just the physical properties of methane.

That's why they use high-pressure tanks because with low-pressure gas storage, the tank needs to be bigger than the car.

Energy density of methane is still lower than any other hydrocarbons.


Again: current day CNG ICEs don't actually have "fuel tanks bigger than the car".

That's because they use high-pressure tanks.

Actually higher working presure than regular welders' oxygen tanks.

Too bad the higher the pressure, the heavier the tank, especially steel.

I had a pretty good job offer from a company that was going to start building CNG tanks out of carbon fiber.

This was a few years before the failure of the Titan submersible.

CNG has made some progress since then, here's the kind of thing there is now:

https://steelheadcomposites.com/sites/default/files/2024-01/...


COPVs are not exactly a new tech. They're just taking a while to proliferate to those lower end applications.

Not like it's a necessary thing. CNG conversions were already viable even with 00s steel tanks.




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